Teacher and retiree advocates are still not happy with Kentucky's new pension reform bill (2024)

Morgan Watkins|Courier Journal

Advocates for teachers and government retirees say the new pension reform bill the Legislature's Republican leaders finally unveiled this week is a step in the right direction but still needs improvement.

Stephanie Winkler, president of the Kentucky Education Association, said Senate Bill 1 doesn’t go far enough to honor the promises made to public-school employees.

“Teachers across Kentucky are not happy with lawmakers because they have not been funding their responsibilities,” she said. “The way it’s saving money is putting the brunt of the costs back on the employees, which is not fair.”

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Winkler said some aspects of the Republicans’ proposal have been changed for the better compared to the plan Gov. Matt Bevin and other GOP leaders rolled out late last year. Butshe expressed concern with the bill’s recommended reduction in annual cost-of-living increases for teacher retirement benefits, which would drop from 1.5 percent to 0.75 percent for 12 years.

Winkler also said she disagreed with giving new teachers a “hybrid cash balance plan” that blends features of a traditional defined-benefits plan with those of a 401(k)-style approach.

Jason Bailey, executive director of the Kentucky Center for Economic Policy, said the average teacher would lose about $73,000 in lifetime income under the proposed cost-of-living cut. "And that's something that people were counting on," he said.

Bailey said Kentucky has gone through multiple rounds of pension reform in the past, all of which involved either slashing benefits for state workers and teachers or making those people contribute more of their own money.

“The benefits are pretty modest now, especially for new people walking in the door," he told Courier Journal.

A lack of funding is the real challenge legislators need to address, according to both Bailey and Winkler.

“We don’t have structural problems with our retirement systems. We have funding and revenue problems,” Winkler said. “It’s not going to happen overnight, but we have to have lawmakers that make courageous decisions to find new revenue so that we can fund all of the programs necessary for citizens.”

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Jim Carroll, president of an advocacy group called Kentucky Government Retirees, agreed.

The problem with Kentucky’s pensions systems isn’t the benefits employees and retirees are receiving, Carroll said. It’s the dearth of funding necessary to cover the obligations already promised to those people.

“It doesn’t matter how much you reform it," he said of the pension systems. "We still need revenue to meet our needs."

Senate Bill 1 would limit state workers' ability to use their accumulated sick days as credits to help them reach retirement eligibility faster. Carroll believes that could be challenged as a violation of the “inviolable contract,” which is a term that refers to language enshrined in state law that guarantees government employees will get the benefits they were promised when they got hired.

“We’ve made sacrifices already,” he said of state employees and retirees. “We can’t keep slicing the pie into smaller slices. We need a bigger pie.”

Larry Totten, president of the nonprofit organization Kentucky Public Retirees, said a friend of his, who is in his early 60s and faces health-related issues, plans to retire before the proposed reforms are enacted while he still can utilize all his unused sick leave.

Totten said he expects to see an increase in state employees retiring this year before SB 1 (if approved) would take effect, just as his friend plans to do.

"I hope I'm wrong because state government's going to have a brain drain if that happens," he said.

But he praised legislators for revising the pension reform proposal Bevin unveiled last October.

"I have to give them credit for stopping that plan from rolling forward in the legislative process and listening and then coming back and revisiting this," he said.

Eric Kennedy, director of governmental relations for the Kentucky School Boards Association, said legislative leaders have "moved in the right direction" with SB 1, although certain provisions could impact financially struggling school districts negatively.

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One potential concern Kennedy pointed to was a section of the bill that appears to require school boards to contribute a small percentage of payroll to the Teachers' Retirement System for employees who would get the hybrid cash balance plan.

"We're in a situation almost of a perfect storm," Kennedy said, where cost increases of any kind could challenge districts whose state funding has been cut repeatedly over the years.

Brent McKim, president of the Jefferson County Teachers Association, is appreciative of the changes legislative leaders have made to the proposed reforms but said there are still significant problems that make the current version of SB 1 unacceptable.

“It would be a real setback for Jefferson County because I think it would make it much harder to attract and keep quality teachers," he said, highlighting the reduced cost-of-living adjustment and hybrid cash balance plan as problematic.

McKim expressed interest in working with legislators to resolve JCTA's concerns.

“If we could address some of these remaining issues ... I think we could be very close to a common-ground solution," he said.

Morgan Watkins: 502-582-4502; mwatkins@courierjournal.com; Twitter: @morganwatkins26. Support strong local journalism by subscribing today:www.courier-journal.com/morganw.

Teacher and retiree advocates are still not happy with Kentucky's new pension reform bill (2024)

FAQs

Why don't Kentucky teachers get social security? ›

The reason Kentucky teachers don't get Social Security dates back to 1935 when the Social Security law was enacted, leaving out state and municipal employees, said Beau Barnes, deputy executive director of the Kentucky Teachers' Retirement System, or KTRS.

Do Kentucky teachers get health insurance when they retire? ›

Kentucky Teachers' Retirement System administers pension and health insurance benefits for over 145,000 active and retired teachers and sends $1.8 billion in benefit payments to retired teachers every year.

How many years to retire as a teacher in Kentucky? ›

Service Retirement Eligibility

The requirements for an unreduced retirement benefit are either any age with 27 years of service credit or age 60 with at least five years of service credit.

What is the average KY teacher pension? ›

How much does a Retired Teacher make in Kentucky? As of Jul 26, 2024, the average annual pay for the Retired Teacher jobs category in Kentucky is $39,603 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $19.04 an hour. This is the equivalent of $761/week or $3,300/month.

Why can't teachers collect Social Security? ›

As Leslie Kan and I write in our 2014 report, the exclusion of teachers from Social Security comes from decisions made decades ago. State workers were left out of the original Social Security Act in 1935, initially because of concerns whether the federal government could tax state and local governments.

Which state has the best retirement for teachers? ›

01The five best states for new teachers to enroll in a retirement plan are South Carolina, Tennessee, South Dakota, Oregon, and Michigan. Three of these states offer a hybrid plan (TN, SD, OR), while the other two offer a choice between a pension plan or a DC plan (SC, MI).

At what age do most teachers retire? ›

Using 30 to 35 years of service is a good rule of thumb for comparing pensions from various states. This means that someone who enters teaching before age 25 with a bachelor's and accumulates 30 or more years of service can usually retire sometime between age 55 and 60.

What is the new Kentucky teacher retirement plan? ›

Beginning in 2022, new Kentucky teachers will be placed on a "hybrid" pension plan that combines elements of defined contribution and defined benefit plans. They will be eligible to retire at a later age than current teachers — 57 with 30 years of service — and will likely need to pay more into retirement.

Which states exclude teachers from Social Security? ›

Allow – not mandate: teachers in Alaska, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas were never enrolled in Social Security. [i] The public employees (teachers, police, firefighters, etc.)

What teachers do not get Social Security? ›

As a California teacher or administrator working in a CalSTRS-covered position, you do not pay into Social Security for your teaching work.

Do Kentucky state employees get Social Security? ›

Most Kentucky public employees are covered for full social security and contribute to both the social security and the medicare program.

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